Driver bodies large format on FeePay.

**BoydB** · February 7th, 2012, 10:33 PM

Originally Posted by Audio_by_Goodwill

They're labeled as untested. Something as simple to test as a driver isn't likely going to go untested by an audio dealer. They probably don't work, or have had the diaphragms removed. "Untested" gives the impression that it's unknown and could be fine, and therefore could get a higher price if someone's willing to take the bait and gamble. Sure the buyer chooses to gamble, but the game shouldn't be set against him. If I sell something as being untested, it will be untested. Testing and finding a non-functioning item and calling it untested to provide deniabilty is dishonest.

So what if the seller bought them with the knowledge they were blown drivers? I'd list them as "for parts, not working", and I'd not have a need to test them myself if they were known to be blown. With the info the seller has provided anyone buying them expecting them to work is not reading properly.

**analog addict** · February 8th, 2012, 12:01 AM

'Phragms and a remag at GPA $100 each. So what? I'm curious to see what they go for. If they were mine, I'd have them sent directly to Bill H....

**Audio_by_Goodwill** · February 8th, 2012, 12:23 AM

Originally Posted by BoydB

So what if the seller bought them with the knowledge they were blown drivers? I'd list them as "for parts, not working", and I'd not have a need to test them myself if they were known to be blown. With the info the seller has provided anyone buying them expecting them to work is not reading properly.

If they were purchased knowing they were blown then he should say they're blown, not untested. As I tried to convey before "untested" leaves the possibility open that they're fine. If it's known that they are not fine, that's dishonest.

As far as not reading properly......... an animal should always watch for a trap/danger, but it can't fall into a trap that's not there.

**BoydB** · February 8th, 2012, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by Audio_by_Goodwill

If they were purchased knowing they were blown then he should say they're blown, not untested. As I tried to convey before "untested" leaves the possibility open that they're fine. If it's known that they are not fine, that's dishonest.

As far as not reading properly......... an animal should always watch for a trap/danger, but it can't fall into a trap that's not there.

Let's start at the beginning, in BOLD LETTERS at the top of this auction it states "for parts or not working" .......

in other words.......... These do not Work!!!!!

What do you want the seller to do.. take a separate photo of each driver with a DVM wired to it proving to you that it has an open voice coil? He has told you that These Drivers DO NOT WORK!

**RonSSS** · February 8th, 2012, 02:40 AM

It would take the seller 60 seconds to ohm all 3 drivers. Mystery solved and the description in the ad changes to blown.
I don't think the ad is misleading, but is truly a buyer beware situation.

**cradeldorf** · February 8th, 2012, 03:12 AM

Bottom line even if they are blown they are still valuable if you get them repaired...especially if they're 288 C's don't those go for an arm and a leg usually?

**mah** · February 8th, 2012, 05:48 AM

Don't ASSUME! You can make an ASS of U and ME or him.

**Audio_by_Goodwill** · February 8th, 2012, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by BoydB

Let's start at the beginning, in BOLD LETTERS at the top of this auction it states "for parts or not working" .......

in other words.......... These do not Work!!!!!

I didn't see that before, I beleive that's an ebay check box he filled in. I would say it's good except it's confusing....... are they working or not, how can he know they're not working if they're untested? It's a mixed message, if you even pay attention to the automatically generated ebay info....... which many people don't since many sellers change it in the auction body, like in this case....... or with shipping.

What do you want the seller to do.. take a separate photo of each driver with a DVM wired to it proving to you that it has an open voice coil? He has told you that These Drivers DO NOT WORK!

No he told me that they're untested, so he can't know they don't work. Which means they could work, so I'm going to bid higher in the false hope he's giving me.

**Old Guy** · February 8th, 2012, 07:54 AM

What are the ethical questions? Simple. You know an audio dealer has tested them. Then posted untested. Likely tested bad and he is not making full disclosure. I do not ask anything of him I wouldn't do.

"For parts or not working" is covering himself. Not full disclosure.

**bowtie427ss** · February 8th, 2012, 09:05 AM

FWIW, when i mentioned ethics implying unethical practices it was in regard to a current trend among ebay buyers, not sellers.

Sure this seller has contradicted himself a bit by making multiple statements regarding function that don't necessarily mean the same things. Contradiction should raise question/doubt. In this instance it makes me suspicious. Did he open one and see a shifted pole? Did he drop one from the scaffolding during removal? Has this seller been the victim of refund extortion via ebay//PP slanted playing field? Those are the questions the contradiction raises for me.

I don't think he's being unethical, at least not intentionally. As OG suggests, he's just covering himself which has sadly become a necessity when selling on ebay.

There's a certain logic in that by keeping the description vague, there is less to be held accountable for as a seller.

I think most of us are all saying the same thing............... don't bid more on this one than you can afford to throw away to ensure that any surprises will be pleasant ones.

Let's not make a mountain out of a molehill where nobody's actually done anything wrong.

Just my .02....................